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I know someone who is getting off of Methadone as a opiate replacement theorpy. I was wondering what are the side effects of coming off of Methadone? Will the attitude change from happy to grumpy or bitchy? Complete personality change? What should I expect from this person? How can she correct any side effects. Thank you in advance

It depends entirely on how they are getting off methadone- properly, with a slow weaning process; administratively, as in a punitive action where they reduce the dose 10mg a day until down to zero, or cold turkey- having walked off or been kicked off the program,and therefor,not completing the process properly.
I'm going to post a commentary I wrote from a website I run on MMT advocacy regarding the recommended process for coming off methadone~ it mainly details the pharmacological process though. In terms of how they will be emotionally~ the best thing you can do is encourage them to do this properly, with guidance from her MMT clinic- and to be supportive by educating yourself on the process. Knowing what to expect, and being supportive is the best thing you can do.
Typically, the best chance at success when detoxing from MMT is to start out with a weekly decrease of no more than 5mg & no less than 2mg, once every week, depending at the stabilized dose you have been at. 80-100 mg is considered an average dose, and the typical start wean/decrease for that range is a 2-3mg decrease once a week. You should try not going lower than those 2-3 m, and if you're having a hard time with that, consider taking your weaning schedule to every other week~ one thing we tend to overlook as addicts is that methadone, unlike heroin and other opiates, is a time released medication. It works for exactly that reason, but it also makes for a longer acute withdrawal period. Where as with a heroin detox, you can expect a typical 5-7 days for to get through the worst of it worst of it, methadone takes closer to 3-4 weeks before the full brunt of the acute withdrawal abates. This is because that slow acting, time releases aspect has also allowed a residual to build up in your system~ the same applies for getting stabilized: remember when you started at 20 or 30mg, and were having a hell of a time feeling normal, but they insisted you wait 7 days minimum before getting an increase? That’s because the medication needs time to build up in your system; the same way it needs time to leave your system.
If this is just your first take down in mg, this might not be as applicable, but if you’re being weaned a few mg every week for a month or longer, you might just be starting to feel the long term effects of those first initial dose decreases.
It will vary for every client~ someone at a higher dose, say 150mg+ ~ may be able to handle coming down at 5mg a week, b/c their residual will be slightly larger. It can also vary with body type- people who are heavier may retain more medication in their system. There is also supported evidence that clients can be “fast” or “slow” metabolizers- one person may be able to go up to 72 hours before feeling the onset of withdrawal (“slow” metabolizers); others feel it in 12 hours- (these are fast metabolizers, and often the solution is split dosing- taking half in the morning, the other half 12 hours later). While this is another issue altogether, it should be noted many clinics do not support this process, since the bulk of their clients require supervised dosing. I will discuss that issue in another note in the near future, but for the time being, if you’ve got take homes, you may want to try doing a split dose for a few days- even if you weren’t a fast metabolizer in the past, as you come down in dosage, you may find this pattern- smaller, more frequent dosing- helps you get through it.
Once your dose gets smaller- in the under 40mg per day range- it is common to decrease the # of mg you cut each week. So, for example, if you’re at 100 mg, and you start to wean yourself down at 5mg each week, you may feel fine until you reach a daily dose of 45mg, then suddenly find yourself feeling horrible. It’s normal in that scenario to switch your weaning schedule from decreasing your dose 5mg each week, to 2mg every OTHER week~ because not only are you feeling the effects of your weekly decrease, but that of the residual build up leaving your system, on top of the discomfort from forcing your body to adjust to a lower dosage.
Those who successfully stay sober continually demonstrate following this type of pattern~ taking their time, allowing for the need to possibly decrease their original cut back. As you move into the 30mg range, you should be considering detox. Detox is tricky- no detox facility is permitted to detox a MMT patient without correlating with the MMT clinic, in most states, by law. This is meant to deter MMT clients who break the rules & are given administrative detoxes from thinking they can get away with it, since a detox will fix it. An emergency room will treat you, if they feel your life is in danger, but as we all know, detox from opiates & opioid agonists like methadone, won’t kill you (unless you have a pre-existing condition that is exacerbated by the withdrawal). It might feel like it- and yes, MMT withdrawal is overall a longer, harder detox-but it won’t kill you. So an ER doctor is at liberty to pick and choose if they will treat withdrawal symptoms before sending you on your way, and the stigma of the disease of addiction makes our plight somewhat unsympathetic, so odds are slim. They cannot, however, send you to a detox in the event they take up your cause, that is out of their hands (unless, again, your life is in danger, or the patient is pregnant, since the withdrawal can bring about miscarriage).
The exception to the case being, a proper weaning through your clinic. A client who decides to take the big step and begin their extradition from MMT has options: and at about 0-30mg, detox is indeed one of them, and a wise one.
Your clinic should have some familial relationship with a couple detox facilities who are equipped and educated to handle such a withdrawal~ and it will often be the difference between success and failure. I know many clients who went through 2-3 years of being weaned 5mg a week, who never felt uncomfortable~ but who, at 10mg, were switched from being weaned 5mg to only 2mg a week- who came back the next day begging for their 2mg back. It all relates to the individual, and to the long term decrease of residual and dose.
You should have a plan arranged at the onset of your weaning: your counselor and your MMT clinic physician should explain the process to you in detail, and all of you should agree on what steps you will take~ including hypothetical ones. You may not need the detox, you may find 5mg a week never really bothers you; you may find 1mg does- so be prepared for those obstacles, BEFORE you reach them~ because if there’s one thing we can all agree on, it’s that we don’t make well-planed decisions when we’re dope sick.
There are also medications your MMT clinic physician can prescribe to help with some of the discomfort through out your withdrawal; though you shouldn’t rely on them until you’ve reached a considerably low dose. Starting to rely on them too soon will leave you ill-prepared for the long haul. Common meds used in detox apply here- vistaril, trazadone, ultram~ but will vary by clinic & physician. Also be sure to account for any changes in your own life: weight loss/gain; a new medication (OTC or Rx- even the simple ones can make a change in the way you metabolize your dose). Stress, grief, job loss, and other emotional issues can also be factors.
It should also be mentioned that while there is no specific, tried and true formula, the vast majority of MMT clients who succeed in weaning themselves completely off have been on MMT for a minimum of 2 years. And I mean 2 years of MMT without any other chemical abuse; 2 years attending every group, counseling session and other appt- even when you don’t want to; 2 years of having a stable home life, a job you enjoy (or at minimum, one that doesn’t make you suicidal, lol), 2 years free of unresolved court cases, warrants, probation, parole, etc. Two years of having the life you had- or wanted- BEFORE you got hooked on the junk. We’ve already got the odds stacked against us: opiate addiction is hands down, statistically, the hardest addiction to beat, and has the lowest success rate. It doesn’t need any help to make us fail; you need a life you consider worth fighting for.

Remember to take it slow, and not rush yourself- MMT has the highest success rate of any opiate addiction treatment, but it doesn’t happen overnight- allow your body the time it needs to adjust to each take down. Your clinic should be very much in agreement with this. Unless you’re going through an administrative detox (typically administrative detox means going down 10mg a day until you’re at zero mg; and administrative detox IS NOT intended to keep you sober- it’s a punitive action taken when a client is not paying their bill, coming up dirty repeatedly on tox screens, gets arrested, or is missing groups)- if you’re going through a planned withdrawal, your clinic should be very supportive in spacing out your weaning- if you’re feeling pressured about going faster, and you’re NOT being admin. detoxed, then you have rights, and you can invoke them. If you’re having issues with this, email me; I will help you find the right channels to deal with it; and don’t be afraid to reach out to the other folks on this site. We have nurses, counselors, MMT clients, & folks who’ve completed MMT & are now clean, and no one knows more about how to fight for their right to sobriety.

Don’t be afraid to take a step back, either- if you were stable at 100mg for several years, and you’re at 80mg now, and having a hard time, there’s no fault in going to 85mg- you’re still progressing.

2010-11-08 15:23:52 by Toth

The first video in a series about detoxing from Methadone and recovery from long term narcotic addiction.One man's experience getting off ...

i have been on methadone for about 2 & a half years. i want to get off of it. how do i do this? without getting all sick ?

The safest and fastest way to come off of this drug is to reduce it by one tablet every seven days. This may seem slow to you, but it's really not. If you do it slowly you should have a minimum of withdrawal symptoms.

Here is what I suggest to get you over the worst part of the withdrawals.

To help with the withdrawals take hot bathes with 2c. of dissolved Epsom salts and soak for 30 minutes. The skin is the biggest organ of elimination and this will help pull out the drugs. Use a loofa to clean the pores and this will help pull the drugs out even faster.

I recommend you drink purified water mixed with mineral water 50/50. This will replace the minerals that are exiting your body continuously.

I suggest that adults and children drink 40 ounces of water per 100 pounds of body weight every day and 2c. a day of fresh carrot juice, to flush the medicine out of your liver. Taking 500mg of calcium and magnesium twice a day will help you to relax.

Drink chamomile tea throughout the day and evening to help you stay relaxed.

Use a powdered fiber supplement twice daily to pull the drugs out of your intestines where they store.

Two of the questionnaires in this forum did follow this program to withdraw from drugs and it did help. I've enclosed a link where you can read their response to this program.

If you have any further questions please let me know,
Billie77

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2007-10-22 05:41:00 by lesley m

I have back problems and have been taking 40 mgs of methadone a day for a year now. I am having trouble getting off of them and have been suggested suboxone. Just wondering how long this will take to kick and If I will just end up replacing suboxone for the methadone. Any first hand info on suboxone would be appreciated. Before I talk to a doctor.

Suboxone, unlike methadone (in a different manner), has a "ceiling" limit... It provides both opiate, and anti-opiate receptive chemicals... Suboxone is addictive, yet does not create the same "high", or euphoria as methadone... Suboxone has been used in the treatment of Heroin addicts as a substitution to Methadone and as a treatment for Methadone addicts.
If you are using this drug simply for pain, it has been shown to have great results, and it may improve your cognitive functioning given it's limited properties (however you can overdose)... Suboxone can be dangerous, as well as even worse, taking methadone on a regular basis. You are doing yourself more harm than good by taking these super strong prescription drugs.
If you are concerned that you will not acheive the same "high", than you have a drug problem.
Meet others who have recovered. Admit you cannot live without the drugs because of the feeling, and not the pain. You can always live out the pain. Take glucosamine supplements... eat healthy, work out. Although these drugs help null the pain in the first place and put you in a better mood, the pain will only get worse, your feelings only worse taking this stuff. It's a waste of your money and your time... meet others who have recovered from pain and prescription medication.

Go to www.na.org

2010-02-07 23:39:29 by N. PIKE

I know someone who has been taking it for 13 years. 120 mg. And he wants to get off of it because its coming between him and his family and I wanna do everything I can to help. What can help him come off of it that is non narcotic? Any places he can call? Has anyone ever came off of it and what's it like? I don't think he can stop cold turkey because I heard it can kill his especially since he has been taking so much for so long. Please help!!

It depends entirely on how they are getting off methadone- properly, with a slow weaning process; administratively, as in a punitive action where they reduce the dose 10mg a day until down to zero, or cold turkey- having walked off or been kicked off the program,and therefor,not completing the process properly.
I'm going to post a commentary I wrote from a website I run on MMT advocacy regarding the recommended process for coming off methadone~ it mainly details the pharmacological process though. In terms of how they will be emotionally~ the best thing you can do is encourage them to do this properly, with guidance from his MMT clinic. Knowing what to expect, & being supportive is the best thing you can do.
I also have to reiterate- it won't kill you- might feel that way, but it wont- and 120mg is a pretty standard dose. That said, people respond in different ways.
I really hope your friend is doing this for them self & not b/c of the family pressure- the only chance he has at success is doing this right- slowly, progressively, b/c HE'S ready to- too many people go through the family thing & get off, only to relapse. People love to blame methadone, not the addiction- methadone has a stigma right now; it's misinformation & ignorance that propel it. If you or your friend has any questions, please don't hesitate to email me. I run a website & a FB group dedicated to MMT education, regulation, & rights- we have MMT clinic physicians, RN's, CDCL's, & plenty of clients who've been through it too- if I can't help, someone there certainly can. Best of luck to you.

Typically, the best chance at success when detoxing from MMT is to start out with a weekly decrease of no more than 5mg & no less than 2mg, once every week, depending at the stabilized dose you have been at. 80-100 mg is considered an average dose, and the typical start wean/decrease for that range is a 2-3mg decrease once a week. You should try not going lower than those 2-3 m, and if you're having a hard time with that, consider taking your weaning schedule to every other week~ one thing we tend to overlook as addicts is that methadone, unlike heroin and other opiates, is a time released medication. It works for exactly that reason, but it also makes for a longer acute withdrawal period. Where as with a heroin detox, you can expect a typical 5-7 days for to get through the worst of it worst of it, methadone takes closer to 3-4 weeks before the full brunt of the acute withdrawal abates. This is because that slow acting, time releases aspect has also allowed a residual to build up in your system~ the same applies for getting stabilized: remember when you started at 20 or 30mg, and were having a hell of a time feeling normal, but they insisted you wait 7 days minimum before getting an increase? That’s because the medication needs time to build up in your system; the same way it needs time to leave your system.
If this is just your first take down in mg, this might not be as applicable, but if you’re being weaned a few mg every week for a month or longer, you might just be starting to feel the long term effects of those first initial dose decreases.
It will vary for every client~ someone at a higher dose, say 150mg+ ~ may be able to handle coming down at 5mg a week, b/c their residual will be slightly larger. It can also vary with body type- people who are heavier may retain more medication in their system. There is also supported evidence that clients can be “fast” or “slow” metabolizers- one person may be able to go up to 72 hours before feeling the onset of withdrawal (“slow” metabolizers); others feel it in 12 hours- (these are fast metabolizers, and often the solution is split dosing- taking half in the morning, the other half 12 hours later). While this is another issue altogether, it should be noted many clinics do not support this process, since the bulk of their clients require supervised dosing. I will discuss that issue in another note in the near future, but for the time being, if you’ve got take homes, you may want to try doing a split dose for a few days- even if you weren’t a fast metabolizer in the past, as you come down in dosage, you may find this pattern- smaller, more frequent dosing- helps you get through it.
Once your dose gets smaller- in the under 40mg per day range- it is common to decrease the # of mg you cut each week. So, for example, if you’re at 100 mg, and you start to wean yourself down at 5mg each week, you may feel fine until you reach a daily dose of 45mg, then suddenly find yourself feeling horrible. It’s normal in that scenario to switch your weaning schedule from decreasing your dose 5mg each week, to 2mg every OTHER week~ because not only are you feeling the effects of your weekly decrease, but that of the residual build up leaving your system, on top of the discomfort from forcing your body to adjust to a lower dosage.
Those who successfully stay sober continually demonstrate following this type of pattern~ taking their time, allowing for the need to possibly decrease their original cut back. As you move into the 30mg range, you should be considering detox. Detox is tricky- no detox facility is permitted to detox a MMT patient without correlating with the MMT clinic, in most states, by law. This is meant to deter MMT clients who break the rules & are given administrative detoxes from thinking they can get away with it, since a detox will fix it. An emergency room will treat you, if they feel your life is in danger, but as we all know, detox from opiates & opioid agonists like methadone, won’t kill you (unless you have a pre-existing condition that is exacerbated by the withdrawal). It might feel like it- and yes, MMT withdrawal is overall a longer, harder detox-but it won’t kill you. So an ER doctor is at liberty to pick and choose if they will treat withdrawal symptoms before sending you on your way, and the stigma of the disease of addiction makes our plight somewhat unsympathetic, so odds are slim. They cannot, however, send you to a detox in the event they take up your cause, that is out of their hands (unless, again, your life is in danger, or the patient is pregnant, since the withdrawal can bring about miscarriage).
The exception to the case being, a proper weaning through your clinic. A client who decides to take the big step and begin their extradition from MMT has options: and at about 0-30mg, detox is indeed one of them, and a wise one.
Your clinic should have some familial relationship with a couple detox facilities who are equipped and educated to handle such a withdrawal~ and it will often be the difference between success and failure. I know many clients who went through 2-3 years of being weaned 5mg a week, who never felt uncomfortable~ but who, at 10mg, were switched from being weaned 5mg to only 2mg a week- who came back the next day begging for their 2mg back. It all relates to the individual, and to the long term decrease of residual and dose.
You should have a plan arranged at the onset of your weaning: your counselor and your MMT clinic physician should explain the process to you in detail, and all of you should agree on what steps you will take~ including hypothetical ones. You may not need the detox, you may find 5mg a week never really bothers you; you may find 1mg does- so be prepared for those obstacles, BEFORE you reach them~ because if there’s one thing we can all agree on, it’s that we don’t make well-planed decisions when we’re dope sick.
There are also medications your MMT clinic physician can prescribe to help with some of the discomfort through out your withdrawal; though you shouldn’t rely on them until you’ve reached a considerably low dose. Starting to rely on them too soon will leave you ill-prepared for the long haul. Common meds used in detox apply here- vistaril, trazadone, ultram~ but will vary by clinic & physician. Also be sure to account for any changes in your own life: weight loss/gain; a new medication (OTC or Rx- even the simple ones can make a change in the way you metabolize your dose). Stress, grief, job loss, and other emotional issues can also be factors.
It should also be mentioned that while there is no specific, tried and true formula, the vast majority of MMT clients who succeed in weaning themselves completely off have been on MMT for a minimum of 2 years. And I mean 2 years of MMT without any other chemical abuse; 2 years attending every group, counseling session and other appt- even when you don’t want to; 2 years of having a stable home life, a job you enjoy (or at minimum, one that doesn’t make you suicidal, lol), 2 years free of unresolved court cases, warrants, probation, parole, etc. Two years of having the life you had- or wanted- BEFORE you got hooked on the junk. We’ve already got the odds stacked against us: opiate addiction is hands down, statistically, the hardest addiction to beat, and has the lowest success rate. It doesn’t need any help to make us fail; you need a life you consider worth fighting for.

Remember to take it slow, and not rush yourself- MMT has the highest success rate of any opiate addiction treatment, but it doesn’t happen overnight- allow your body the time it needs to adjust to each take down. Your clinic should be very much in agreement with this, unless you’re going through an administrative detox (typically administrative detox means going down 10mg a day until you’re at zero mg; and administrative detox IS NOT intended to keep you sober- it’s a punitive action). My Group:

*http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10 6559159942&ref=ts

Priceless Resources:

*http://www.methadonetoday.org/ (Methadone Today)

*http://www.methadone.org/index.html (NAMA)

2010-11-24 10:38:45 by b628

I have been at a Methadone clinic for 2 years and I feel it would be the best if I came off it now. If you have done this before or know someone that has,I liked to know how they did it or the best way to do it, and if they made it through the procsess. I feel this is going to be a rough journey. Thank you.

I have worked at a Methadone clinic as a medical provider and the best way is slowly have your dose lowered. Some people can tolerate a MG a week and some more slowly. Depends on your current dose. Is there a medical professional you can see at the clinic to guide you in reducing your dose? Good luck... I have had people in my clinic tapering down slowly and have NO symptoms (dope sickness) at all ......even after years of methadone use.....

2008-04-07 08:02:19 by jms5881